6:53 I will add though, that although Max Martin has helped produce the last two Coldplay albums, most of the writing, guitar, base, and drums is mainly the band making the decisions. Max is almost a guiding voice for them as they make each song.
Yes the writers and the producers of the albums really make the songs what they are. That's why they can pretty much put anybody who can half way sing that is willing to sell their soul in the spotlight. There are very few really big pop stars with unique talented voices anymore.
I used to work as a freelance photographer for newspapers and I see similarities. You are never a part of the newspaper unless you win a price. Then you are the newspapers photographer. So you do the hard work and somebody else take the credit for it.
I can understand that this how things works. But it is a shame that the real creators are not credited more.
I have a friend who I discuss music with from time to time. Since I have pass 50 I told her little about what I liked when I was younger. Names like Bonnie Tyler, Meat Loaf and a very unknown band called Fire Inc came up. As far as I know Fire Inc only wrote four songs and I love all of four of them. The band was set up too play a part of a soundtrack for a movie, Streets of Fire.
These three artists/band has one thing in common. Jim, or James, Steinman wrote many of their classic hits. After that we searched Spotify for songs Steinman wrote. Great way to find new music you like.
I don't know what I'm trying to say here but it is really a shame that we don't credit the creators more. It's all about packaging these days. They got voice mixers directly in the mics these days so they don't necessarily need to be able to sing correctly even. As long as it's pleasing the eye we are satisfied I guess.
Desmond Child used to do this for a lot of bands in the 80's Bon Jovi and Kiss most famously, I think he wrote a bunch for Michael Bolton as well. Jimmy Page used to write stuff for a lot of those 60's bands and they even had song writers I think Babe I'm gonna leave you was written by a woman Anne something I can't remember her last name, even Tom Petty wrote for Stevie Nicks
With all the much better artists who are on You Tube and other media, it is so obvious that the commercial music industry is an inbred club of certain producers, agents and writers. What can be done is not obvious to me, as just a listener. But I guess your point here is to ask why artists get credit , and writers do not. Sheet music and vinyl used to list writers, engineers, ….. Got me on that one, too…
Guys…whats the Message here? Elvis didnt write most of his Songs…Sinatra didnt, Johnny Cash didnt write some of his most iconic Hits…Michael Jackson didnt..hell yeah even Mozart didnt write the Librettos for his operas. Dont get fooled by Rick Here when he is trying to frame it like as a big "problem" of the modern industry….
Record store employee here. Pop music has always had a great deal of content that sounds the same since the 80's. If you can't find what is good, you aren't looking far enough… I will be over here, listening to Sofia Isella (age: 20, classically trained in violin and piano, plays guitar, writes and performs every note of her music, and f*ck is it dark…) and Paris Paloma (age 22, her song "Labour" has become an anthem, but she started with bedroom performances uploaded on TikTok, see the live performance of Labour at Tate Britain). Even the music of Lana Del Rey is incredible – the song she wrote more recently "Did You Know There's A Tunnel Under Ocean Boulevard" was stunning, and I was incredibly excited when she mentioned Harry Nilsson with an affection only I thought I had. And Norman F-cking Rockwell is rightfully considered one of the greatest albums of the last 20 years – California (which Antonoff, a producer, helped layer the instruments on, the lyrics and basic melody are Lana's, and always are…) is a song about her days with Arctic Monkey's Alex Turner, pre-fame.
Even the two albums from 2020 Folklore and Evermore are fantastic – Taylor's best work and a style she needs to return to (just her and her piano/ guitar… "Champagne Problems" is genius). FYI, her demo's are created by her and she gets help adding other instruments/ sonic elements. And Florence & The Machine just released an incredible album… and Wet Leg were just having the best kind of fun when they wrote and released Catch These Fists this year. And Fontaines DC with Starburster (about panic attacks) and I Love You (about Irish nationalism)? Amazing. The list goes on.
I am so PROUD of myself of being "retired" on listen new songs (at least 98%). And this new songs are just rubbish! It even made me retire as Dj after over 20 years at night over south america and europe. No regrets!
I came back to this video just now because I remembered it as I was watching an interview and a bunch of funny clips of Sabrina Carpenter. I'm not sure I agree with you entirely in her case. I also watched interviews with Amy Allen and how she talked about the songwriting for Sabrina's songs implied that she worked closely with her on developing that album and after 30 seconds of watching Sabrina just talking, it's apparent to me that she had a lot of input into the lyrics. I'm not trying to downplay Jack or Amy's roles, and I do doubt she has anything to do with the backing tracks. As a part time DJ who has to keep up with current music, Sabrina Carpenter sticks out with uniqueness just as much as Billie Eilish in the world of pop music.
6:53 I will add though, that although Max Martin has helped produce the last two Coldplay albums, most of the writing, guitar, base, and drums is mainly the band making the decisions. Max is almost a guiding voice for them as they make each song.
Okay…. Nothing he said is ground breaking lol we love Britney Spears all the way to Whitney Houston and they didn’t write their songs lol
Yes the writers and the producers of the albums really make the songs what they are. That's why they can pretty much put anybody who can half way sing that is willing to sell their soul in the spotlight. There are very few really big pop stars with unique talented voices anymore.
They are trying to turn our daughters into to sex puppet consumers. Is pedophile run since the late 60’s.
This kind of patterned production is exactly what AI excels at.
So, I guess I'm in the wrong business. I can't sing, I can't write a song, but if I could master the art of illusion, I could become a billionaire?
Didn't John Lennox call rubish Musac?
I used to work as a freelance photographer for newspapers and I see similarities. You are never a part of the newspaper unless you win a price. Then you are the newspapers photographer. So you do the hard work and somebody else take the credit for it.
I can understand that this how things works. But it is a shame that the real creators are not credited more.
I have a friend who I discuss music with from time to time. Since I have pass 50 I told her little about what I liked when I was younger. Names like Bonnie Tyler, Meat Loaf and a very unknown band called Fire Inc came up. As far as I know Fire Inc only wrote four songs and I love all of four of them. The band was set up too play a part of a soundtrack for a movie, Streets of Fire.
These three artists/band has one thing in common. Jim, or James, Steinman wrote many of their classic hits. After that we searched Spotify for songs Steinman wrote. Great way to find new music you like.
I don't know what I'm trying to say here but it is really a shame that we don't credit the creators more. It's all about packaging these days. They got voice mixers directly in the mics these days so they don't necessarily need to be able to sing correctly even. As long as it's pleasing the eye we are satisfied I guess.
Not sure why people are surprised or offended by this.
A great song is a great song, no matter who wrote it.
Giving it to the best voice available is how it gets out.
Elvis wrote exactly zero of the songs he sang. He’s still called The King for a reason
Not sure what is more painful. Rick pretending to enjoy the song or the fact that respected song writers came up with this absolute drivel!
Desmond Child used to do this for a lot of bands in the 80's Bon Jovi and Kiss most famously, I think he wrote a bunch for Michael Bolton as well. Jimmy Page used to write stuff for a lot of those 60's bands and they even had song writers I think Babe I'm gonna leave you was written by a woman Anne something I can't remember her last name, even Tom Petty wrote for Stevie Nicks
Are you sure Amy Allen isn’t a pseudonym for an AI algorithm?
I think it was like this even in the 90s (and possibly before that). We used to refer to pop music as "manufactured rubbish".
So thats Dr Luke were listening too all thru the early Katy Perry music
These people make music for people who don't actually like music.
With all the much better artists who are on You Tube and other media, it is so obvious that the commercial music industry is an inbred club of certain producers, agents and writers. What can be done is not obvious to me, as just a listener. But I guess your point here is to ask why artists get credit , and writers do not. Sheet music and vinyl used to list writers, engineers, ….. Got me on that one, too…
Guys…whats the Message here?
Elvis didnt write most of his Songs…Sinatra didnt, Johnny Cash didnt write some of his most iconic Hits…Michael Jackson didnt..hell yeah even Mozart didnt write the Librettos for his operas.
Dont get fooled by Rick Here when he is trying to frame it like as a big "problem" of the modern industry….
Record store employee here. Pop music has always had a great deal of content that sounds the same since the 80's. If you can't find what is good, you aren't looking far enough… I will be over here, listening to Sofia Isella (age: 20, classically trained in violin and piano, plays guitar, writes and performs every note of her music, and f*ck is it dark…) and Paris Paloma (age 22, her song "Labour" has become an anthem, but she started with bedroom performances uploaded on TikTok, see the live performance of Labour at Tate Britain). Even the music of Lana Del Rey is incredible – the song she wrote more recently "Did You Know There's A Tunnel Under Ocean Boulevard" was stunning, and I was incredibly excited when she mentioned Harry Nilsson with an affection only I thought I had. And Norman F-cking Rockwell is rightfully considered one of the greatest albums of the last 20 years – California (which Antonoff, a producer, helped layer the instruments on, the lyrics and basic melody are Lana's, and always are…) is a song about her days with Arctic Monkey's Alex Turner, pre-fame.
Even the two albums from 2020 Folklore and Evermore are fantastic – Taylor's best work and a style she needs to return to (just her and her piano/ guitar… "Champagne Problems" is genius). FYI, her demo's are created by her and she gets help adding other instruments/ sonic elements. And Florence & The Machine just released an incredible album… and Wet Leg were just having the best kind of fun when they wrote and released Catch These Fists this year. And Fontaines DC with Starburster (about panic attacks) and I Love You (about Irish nationalism)? Amazing. The list goes on.
I am so PROUD of myself of being "retired" on listen new songs (at least 98%). And this new songs are just rubbish! It even made me retire as Dj after over 20 years at night over south america and europe. No regrets!
lol I remember fun!
I came back to this video just now because I remembered it as I was watching an interview and a bunch of funny clips of Sabrina Carpenter. I'm not sure I agree with you entirely in her case. I also watched interviews with Amy Allen and how she talked about the songwriting for Sabrina's songs implied that she worked closely with her on developing that album and after 30 seconds of watching Sabrina just talking, it's apparent to me that she had a lot of input into the lyrics. I'm not trying to downplay Jack or Amy's roles, and I do doubt she has anything to do with the backing tracks. As a part time DJ who has to keep up with current music, Sabrina Carpenter sticks out with uniqueness just as much as Billie Eilish in the world of pop music.
You lost me at "hit subscribe before we get started"
The answer to this question is similar to the answer to the question "Why do people berate actors as if they were the characters that they play?"
Awful sound